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Results by the Numbers - Part 1

Results by the Numbers - Part 2

Haplogroups and the finer points of analysis

 

 

Results by the Numbers

Here are the results of the tests showing the DYS locations and allele's or number of repeats. Haplogroups are suggested but not proven by certain values on certain markers. In order to prove a haplogroup, further tests are required. Haplogroups have not been defined for all values at this time, but so far everyone in the study has a haplogroup defined.

FTDNA Markers

Probable Haplogroup

Loc 1

Loc 2

Loc 3

Loc 4

Loc 5

Loc 6

Loc 7

Loc 8

Loc 9

Loc 10

Loc 11

Loc 12

Loc 13
Loc 14
Loc 15
Loc 16
Loc 17
Loc 18
Loc 19
Loc 20
Loc 21
Loc 22
Loc 23
Loc 24
Loc 25
Loc 26
Loc 27
Loc 28
Loc 29
Loc 30
Loc 31
Loc 32
Loc 33
Loc 34
Loc 35
Loc 36
Loc 37
 
   

DYS

DYS

DYS

DYS

DYS

DYS

DYS

DYS

DYS

DYS

DYS

DYS

DYS
DYS
DYS
DYS
DYS
DYS
DYS
DYS
DYS
DYS
DYS
DYS
DYS
DYS
DYS
DYS
DYS
DYS
DYS
DYS
DYS
DYS
DYS
DYS
DYS
  

Location

 

393

390

19 AKA 394

391

385a

385b

426

388

439

389-1

392

389-2

458
459a
459b
455
454
447
437
448
449
464a
464b
464c
464d
460

GATA H4
YCA IIa
YCA IIb
456
607
576
570
CDYa
CDYb
442
438
  
                                                                             
                                                                               
Family 52
R1b
13
24
14
10
11
13
12
12
12
13
13
29
17
9
10
11
11
24
15
19
29
14
15
16
17
                          
                                                                               
Family 56
I
13
22
13
10
13
14
11
14
11
12
11
28
                                                    
                                                                               
Family 66
R1b
13
24
14
11
11
15
12
12
13
13
13
29
17
9
10
11
11
26
18
19
29
15
16
16
17
                          
                                                                               
Family 68
I
13
23
14
10
13
14
11
14
11
12
11
28
15
8
9
8
11
23
16
20
27
14
15
15
17
10
10
19
21
14
14
18
19
34
38
12
10
  
                                                                               
Family 69
J2
12
25
14
10
14
16
11
16
10
13
11
29
16
9
9
11
11
25
16
20
30
13
15
15
18
                          
                                                                               
Family 79
E3b
13
24
14
10
16
17
11
12
12
14
11
31
15
9
9
11
11
26
14
20
33
14
16
16
17
                          
                                                                               
Family 76
I1c
15
23
17
10
15
16
11
13
12
13
12
29
                                                    
Family 146
I1c
15
23
17
10
15
16
11
13
12
13
12
29
15
8
10
11
11
26
15
20
26
11
13
14
15
                          
                                                                               
Family 88
R1b1
13
24
14
11
12
16
12
12
11
13
13
30
                                                    
Family 100
R1b1
12
24
14
11
12
16
12
12
11
13
13
30
17
9
10
11
11
26
14
18
30
15
16
16
17
                          
                                                                               
Family 90
R1a
13
24
17
10
12
14
12
10
10
13
11
30
                                                    
                                                                               
Family 87
R1b1
13
24
15
9
11
15
12
12
14
13
13
29
17
9
10
11
11
25
15
20
33
15
15
17
18
                          
                                                                               
Family 95
R1a
13
25
16
11
11
14
12
12
10
13
11
31
                                                    
                                                                               
Family 98
I
13
23
14
10
14
14
11
14
12
13
12
29
                                                    
                                                                               
Family 91
R1b1
13
23
14
10
11
14
12
12
11
13
13
28
17
9
10
11
11
25
15
19
29
16
16
17
17
11
11
19
23
16
15
20
18
36
37
11
12
  
Family 102
R1b1
13
23
14
10
11
14
12
12
11
13
13
28
17
9
10
11
11
25
15
19
29
16
16
17
17
11
11
19
23
16
15
20
18
36
37
11
12
  
                                                                               
Family 97
R1b1
13
24
17
11
11
14
12
12
12
13
13
29
17
9
10
11
11
25
16
19
30
15
15
16
16
11
11
19
23
15
15
18
19
37
40
12
12
  
                                                                               
Family 99
R1b1
13
24
14
10
11
14
12
12
13
13
13
29
17
9
10
11
11
25
16
19
29
15
16
17
17
                          
                                                                               
Family 104
E3b
13
23
13
9
13
15
11
12
10
14
11
30
                                                    
                                                                               
Family 113
I2a
13
24
14
10
11
15
11
13
10
14
11
31
17
8
10
11
11
25
15
20
29
12
12
14
14
                          
Family 164
I2a
13
24
15
10
11
15
11
13
10
14
11
31
Family 167
I2a
13
24
15
10
11
15
11
13
10
14
11
31
17
8
10
11
11
25
15
20
29
12
12
14
14
10
10
21
21
17
13
20
18
35
36
13
10
                                                                               
Family 117
R1b1c
13
23
14
11
10
14
12
12
12
13
13
29
17
9
10
11
11
25
14
19
29
14
15
17
17
                          
                                                                               
Family 118
R1b1
13
23
14
10
12
14
12
12
12
14
13
30
19
9
9
11
11
24
15
19
28
14
15
17
17
11
11
19
23
15
15
17
18
37
39
12
11
  
                                                                               
Family 126
R1b1c
13
24
14
11
11
14
12
12
14
13
13
29
16
9
9
11
11
26
15
20
31
17
17
17
17
11
11
19
23
16
15
16
15
37
41
12
12
  
                                                                               
Family 128
R1a1
13
25
15
11
11
14
11
12
10
14
11
31
15
9
10
11
11
23
14
20
32
12
15
16
16
11
12
19
21
16
16
17
18
34
39
12
10
  
                                                                               
Family 141
R1b12
13
23
14
11
11
13
12
12
12
13
13
29
17
9
10
11
11
25
15
19
28
15
16
16
17
11
11
19
23
15
15
18
18
37
38
11
12
  
Family 153
R1b1b2
13
23
14
11
11
13
12
12
12
13
13
29
17
9
10
11
11
25
15
19
28
15
16
16
17
11
11
19
23
15
15
18
18
37
39
11
12
  
Family 159
R1b1b2
13
23
14
11
11
13
12
12
12
13
13
29
17
9
10
11
11
25
15
19
28
15
16
17
17
11
11
19
23
15
15
18
18
37
39
11
12
                                                                               
Family 142
R1b1c
13
23
14
11
11
14
12
12
12
13
13
29
19
9
10
11
11
24
15
19
29
16
16
17
18
10
10
19
23
16
14
17
18
35
39
12
12
  
                                                                               
Family 143
I1a
13
23
14
10
14
14
11
15
11
12
12
29
15
8
9
8
11
23
16
20
28
12
14
15
16
10
10
19
21
14
14
17
19
35
37
12
10
  
                                                                               
Family 148
E1a
13
22
15
11
15
16
11
12
11
12
11
29
17
9
10
11
11
24
17
20
30
13
13
19
19
                          
                                                                               
Family 152
   
23
    
12
14
12
      
13
  
14
9
10
11
10
    
19
  
15
16
18
  
11
13
21
23
15
                
                                                                               
Family 151
R1b1b2
13
23
14
11
11
15
12
12
12
13
13
29
17
9
10
11
11
24
15
19
29
15
15
16
16
11
10
19
23
16
15
17
17
35
38
12
12
                                                                               
Family 156
unknown
13
22
14
10
13
14
11
14
11
12
11
28
16
8
9
8
11
23
16
20
28
13
14
15
15
10
10
19
21
14
15
15
19
34
36
12
10
                                                                               
Family 155
E1b1a
13
21
15
10
16
17
11
12
12
14
12
32
17
8
10
11
11
24
14
21
28
13
16
17
18
                                                                               
Family 162
G
14
22
15
10
14
15
11
13
11
12
11
30
16
9
9
11
11
24
16
21
30
12
13
13
14
10
11
20
20
15
13
14
18
36
37
11
10
                                                                               
Family 163
R1b1b2
13
25
14
11
11
14
12
12
12
13
13
30
17
8
9
11
11
25
15
19
28
13
13
15
16
11
10
19
23
15
15
17
16
37
39
12
12
                                                                               
Family 170
R1b1b2
12
25
14
11
11
14
12
12
12
13
13
30
16
9
10
11
11
25
15
19
31
14
15
16
18
11
11
19
23
16
17
19
18
36
37
12
12
                                                                               
Family 192
R1b1b2
13
24
14
11
11
14
12
12
13
13
13
28
17
9
10
11
11
26
15
20
29
16
16
16
17
12
11
18
23
15
15
19
18
35
40
12
12
Family 193
R1b1b2
13
24
14
11
11
14
12
12
13
13
13
28
17
9
10
11
11
26
15
20
29
16
16
16
17
12
11
18
23
15
15
19
18
35
40
12
12
                                                                               
HG 1  
13
24
14
11
11
14
12
12
12
13
13
29
                                                    

HG 2

  
13
23
15
10
14
14
11
14
11
12
11
28
                                                    
HG 3  
13
25
15
10
11
14
12
12
10
13
11
31
                                                    
28

 

Haplogroups and the finer points of analyzing the numbers

The names of the Haplogroups have changed and many new haplogroups have been defined. I have shown the current names above in the table, but will leave the old definitions in as well for the time being.

The following is from Dennis Garvey who has an excellent web site on haplogroups at this addresss

Dennis' website

DYS426=11 then you probably belong to HG2.

If DYS426=12 and DYS392=11 then you are probably a member of haplogroup R1a1 (also known as HG3).

If DYS426=12 and DON'T have DYS392=11 then you probably belong to haplogroup R1b (also known as HG1).

If DYS426=11 and DYS388=12 then you may belong to either haplogroup N3 or E3b (also known as HG16 and HG21)

"There will be exceptions to the above rules - but this method works well for most men whose paternal line is of European descent," writes Dennis. Also from Dennis' web site:

The members of HG1 (R1b) are thought to be the descendants of the Paleolithic hunter-gatherers who arrived in Europe before the last Ice Age about 40,000 years ago (Aurignacian culture). That pattern is most common in Western Europe, but is also found in all other parts of Europe. The members of HG2 are believed to be the descendants of two later waves of humans into Europe. The last of these waves arrived about 8,000 years ago and is credited with introducing agriculture into Europe. HG2 is most common in Southern and Central Europe, but that haplogroup is also often seen in those of Anglo-Saxon and Scandinavian descent. The haplogroup HG3 is seen more frequently on the eastern side of Europe (9% of the population of Turkey is HG3). But HG3 is also common in Scandinavia, and is said by some to be indicative of "Viking blood" when seen in paternal lines originating in the British Isles. The forefather of all HG3's is thought to have been born in the Ukraine during the last Ice Age about 15,000 years ago. Keep in mind that haplogroup classification is fairly useless for locating the place of origin of your paternal line. While each haplogroup has general areas in which it is more common, there has been enough mixing of people on the European continent to prevent using these classifications to pinpoint any single place of origin.

Source: Dennis Garvey web site on Haplogroups

Haplogroup G

This lineage may have originated in India or Pakistan, and has dispersed into central Asia, Europe, and the Middle East. The G2 branch of this lineage (containing the P15 mutation) is found most often in Europe and the Middle East.

Source FTDNA web site.

Haplogroup I

Haplogroup I dates to 23,000 years ago or longer. Lineages not in branches I1a, I1b or I1c are found distributed at low frequency throughout Europe. I1b The Balkan countries likely harbored this subgroup of I during the Last Glacial Maximum. Today, this branch is found distributed in the Balkans and Eastern Europe, and extends further east with Slavic-speaking populations. .

Source FTDNA web site.

Haplogroup J1

J1 Haplogroup J1 is found at highest frequencies in Middle Eastern and North African populations where it most likely evolved. This marker has been carried by Middle Eastern traders into Europe, Central Asia, India, and Pakistan. The Cohen model lineage is found in Haplogroup J*.

Source FTDNA web site.

Haplogroup J2

This lineage originated in the northern portion of the Fertile Crescent where it later spread throughout central Asia, the Mediterranean, and south into India. As with other populations with Mediterranean ancestry this lineage is found within Jewish populations.

Source FTDNA web site.

Haplogroup E3b

This haplogroup is believed to have evolved in the Middle East. It expanded into the Mediterranean during the Pleistocene Neolithic expansion. It is currently distributed around the Mediterranean, southern Europe, and in north and east Africa.

Source FTDNA web site.

Haplogroup R1a

The R1a lineage is believed to have originated in the Eurasian Steppes north of the Black & Caspian Seas. This lineage is thought to descend from a population of the Kurgan culture, known for the domestication of the horse (circa 3000 B.C.E.). These people were also believed to be the first speakers of the Indo-European language group. This lineage is found in central & western Asia, India, and in Slavic populations of Europe.

Source FTDNA web site

Markers with the Fastest Mutation Rates

The following is lifted from the FTDNA newsletter "Facts and Genes" January 31, 2003 Volume 2, Issue 1

The 5 fastest moving Markers are: 464, 449, 439, 385, and 458. Marker 464 is the fastest moving marker, and Marker 458 is the slowest of this group of the fast moving Markers. The other three Markers are between the fastest, and the slowest of the fast moving Markers.

 

Why 389-1 and 389-2 are weird markers

As I understand it, 389-2 includes the marker distance of 389-1. The following is from a email from Gregg Bonner who tried valiantly to explain the signifigance of this to me. "A 389-1 mutation causes a change in 389-2 value. So it is one mutation. In a strange way, this ONE 389-1 change causes 2 numbers to change, but if 389-1 changes and 389-2 does NOT, then that is TWO changes, in spite of only one number being different. So in addition to checking to see if you are double-counting distance, you need to check the other side of the coin to see if there are cases of "half-counting". This is because if 389-1 changes and 389-2 does not, that means there is a change in 389-1, AND a change in a section covered by 389 as a whole but not in the 389-1 section that causes the overall (389-2) length to be the same."

Y STR Databases

Family Tree DNA maintains two data bases of results. If you signed the release they will notify you of any exact, one or two mutation matches to your results no matter what surname. They also have an anonymous data base of "ethnic origins", where they will show the number of matches and close matches, with only the country of origin shown.

Another good data base is the forensic data base. Go to this link for a data base of European Y DNA results that you can match with your results Y STR Data Base

There are links from this site to other databases in the USA and Asia.

Another Y DNA data base that has recently started up is called Ybase. I would encourage everyone with Y DNA tests to submit their numbers to this free data base.

Null 439

Some memeber have a blue asterisk beside your DYS439 results on your Y-DNA DYS Values page. The "blue asterisk" means FTDNA was unable to determine a value for DYS439, though they assigned a "12" to it anyway, since it's the most likely value. The missing value for DYS439 is due to a mutation near the DYS439 marker location. This type of mutation is called a SNP (Single Nucleotide Polymorphism) and is very useful for sorting out DNA results. DNA tests for race use SNPs because these mutations are generally thought to have only happened once in the history of humanity. However, because they happened so long ago, most tests for race come back with a mixture. SNP's on the Y chromosome are passed down from father to son, so everyone who has the same SNP share a common ancestor. Based on DNA results, it appears the null 439 group's common ancestor probably lived about 2500 years ago.

A researcher of the null 439 is Leo W. Little

For more information here is a web site for null 439

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